An all copper bullet is a different animal than a lead core bullet. Bozeman, Montana. As with anything, the devil is in the details. The Winchester M70 Extreme Weather chambered for the 264 Win.Mag has a 9" twist. A 22LR cartridge can fell a bull elephant under the right conditions, and a newborn squirrel can survive a 50 BMG round under other specific conditions. This list of the best cartridges for elk hunting starts with the welterweights and moves up to the heavy hitters. We offer cheap ammo and bulk ammo deals on the most popular ammo calibers. When pushed right to its maximum pressure of 64,000 psi (as established by SAAMI), it will hurl a long, slender 140-grain bullet at more than 3,100 fps from a 26-inch barrel. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Another good choice is the 140gr Berger hybrids. For pure downrange performance, Nosler's 130-grain AccuBond load banishes both of the above in disgrace. I think the Barnes is worth a try. Tough bullets, deep penetration. JavaScript is disabled. Corelokt. I would not hesitate at all to use that bullet on a broadside elk. Again, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether .264 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest elk - and to this question, the response again is yes, the .264 Winchester Magnum is A GOOD CHOICE for elk hunting. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. Try one your self & understand. JavaScript is disabled. Dang thing just didn't understand he was dead and heavy brush was all around him. Campfire Ranger. Average accuracy is an acceptable 1.54 inches. If I add to that a gusty 25 mph wind, Im not shooting past 200 yards. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. Caliber: 7mm Remington Magnum. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. Mag. It will drive this 120gr TSX bullet completely thru an elk even at an acute angle. I should mention the shot was at about 75 yards. Beyond that distance, it doesnt carry the steam of the faster cartridges listed here. The retained weight will be higher than the jacketed bullet, thus during the impact will act like a heavier bullet than the 140g. The .264 Winchester Magnum is a powerful, fast killing, highly effective medium game cartridge and does so out to long ranges. Good luck and happy safe hunting/shooting. border-width: 1px; In this post, well look in-depth into that question. Forums Member List Calendar Active Threads: Previous Thread: Next Thread : Print Thread: Hop To : Page 3 of 3 : 1: 2: 3: Re: 264 win mag vs 7mm rem mag?? The Fling knives are styled after traditional throwing knives and perfect for backyard competitions. Unique White Polymer Tip Assures accuracy, smooth chambering and eliminates tip damage during recoil. } Have taken several truck loads of game with it. There are quite a few variables that all work to decrease the true potential of a rifle. in 1999 and it was the first cartridge from the 30-caliber. Mag.and does it in a short-action platform. Dont cripple yourself with a moderate-velocity cartridge that doesnt handle heavy, high-ballistic-coefficient projectiles well. Re: 264 Win Mag for elk. When you get to kill ( notice I did not say ", i like your style (and agree with your conclusions) CR. Advertised muzzle velocity is the same as the Remington load: 3,030 fps (my rifle gives 3,010 fps). Superformance is safe to use in ALL firearms, including semi-autos, lever gun and pump actions. Attacking the 264 shows just how much popularity it is gaining. . When picking an elk bullet, shy away from light, fast projectiles and pick a heavy version. The .270 was envisioned as a hunting cartridge, and its bullets perform well on game. At my home elevation of 5,000 feet, calculated with a temperature of 50 degrees and 50 percent humidity, with all loads zeroed at 200 yards, we get the following ballistic projections: The .264 Win. Introduced as late as 1963 this cartridge was soon to become the most popular in the line of .300 magnums. Hornady ELD-X and Barnes LRX both will expand at 1600 fps. The data in the following table contains averages for each cartridge. The .270 Win. Mag., though Remington did feature the cartridge in the Model 700 Classic at one point (and those rifles are reputed to shoot very well). It can be applied on animals the size of elk and zebra, but then ranges must be shrunk and 160-grain bullets used. Just curious, are you loading the 156's anywhere near or over the max load? Mag. to those guys that make a living with them and stay in shape to ENJOY CARRYING 15 LBS AROUND. Sectional density says . Is this round (bullet) sufficient for Elk? Tapered Copper-Alloy Jacket For lethal penetration and uniform expansion with maximum weight-retention and minimal barrel fouling. This is a long range forumthus what terminal performance you expect on a shoulder spine hit at 10-300 yards and respective velocity does not apply for 500-850 yard shots. For example, having 1,500 ft-lbs of energy to kill a bull elk is a decent barometer, but elk have also been killed with far less energy when excellent shot placement and good bullet construction are in play. Also, remember that the data in the table above is using averages of multiple loads per cartridge. Of the powders listed I would choose IMR 7977 because of its . In addition to expanding reliably, a bullet must carry sufficient energy to take down the animal. } I would work up a load with 45 bullets shooting them save 5 for hunting and take a box of your 125gr Partiton's as back up and go hunting. .tg .tg-xhut { Seems like its just a 6.5 in a necked down 7 mag case. Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. Its superb on elk to 350 yards or a bit more in the hands of a very good rifleman. Winchester's current Model 70s feature 26-inch tubes, Shaw rifles are available with whatever length the purchaser wants, and the Remington 700 Classic had a 24-inch barrel. You'd have thought with . The .264 mag & 6.5's in general are gaining in popularity rapidly. We analyzed 6 different loads for each cartridge (the proper way to read that sentence is Jim sat at a computer for WEEKS putting data into very complicated Excel sheets) to come out with an average of what several common loads for each cartridge will accomplish. Recoil is light, and reach is outstanding. Bullet placement is everything. I shoot a .264 Win Mag but if Elk were on the menu, I would just buy a Box of 140gr Nosler Partition's or AB and go hunting. Maybe in some altered reality this might be true, but the .358 cannot compete with a 165-grain .308 or .30/06 load at any distance beyond 100 yards. Never , never shoot 5 shot groups. I've never heard anything bad about this caliber either. border-style: solid; Took my best bull with it on public land in 2014. In purely practical terms, no elk cartridge equals the beautifully balanced .300 Win. That would be one to try on a .264 Win. memtb. Mag. } .tg .tg-sklq { font-size: 14px; Deer Size Game: Such As, Antelope, Blacktail Deer, Hogs, Javelina, Mule Deer, And Whitetail Deer. Not a ton of extra horsepower or overkill but plenty if things are right. Perhaps my hunting rifle and bullet combo are capable of shooting 550-yards. Shaw barrels) currently produce factory rifles chambered in .264 Win. . Found one bullet between the skin and opposite shoulder, perfect mushroom but it didnt slow her down much. I have a 264 in a Remington M700 w/stainless barrel ..I hunted Colorado for 40 years with it guiding/packing with and for my rancher friends around Steamboat Springs ..The guys (Rancher ..the daddy and 3 sons) out there loved that 264 ..so much so I just quit carrying it back and forth and just left it with the ranch ..I have not hunted elk now in several years but left the rifle there just keeping a finger in the "game" so to speak ..well a couple of years ago I'm called to their pappy's burial and I go ..at the ranch house after the services the 3 boys get to talking about the 264 ..the shots their dad made with it ..shots they made with it ..they got to doing tally's..laughing and grinning ..I'm sure with some fudge factor ..but their family tally alone was over 100 Mule deer and elk ..not counting my small contribution to the tally. Its plenty gun for elk. i bet we could spin some yarns around a bottle of the appropriate fermented beverage. People hunt elk all the time with a lot less rifle. That is a good elk rifle. was an extraordinary cartridge. You must log in or register to reply here. The Swede is popular with pragmatic traditionalists, but, like the 6.5-284 Norma, suffers from minimal ammo options plus relatively throttled velocities. Today, many outstanding component bullets and suitable propellants are available for loading the .264 Win. The Bigger Question is, whats YOUR maximum? This is a grand-old cartridge based on the .308 Winchester, but it is loaded with a .358-caliber bullet. Its phenomenally accurate, pushes aerodynamic projectiles with high sectional densities at reasonable velocities that dont tear bullets to shreds on impact, recoils little, and has proven more capable than it has any right to be. You should always start low & work up. We have three other primary assumptions being made here. At the moment of truth, if you arent sure you will make a good shot, dont squeeze the trigger. Hornady Superformance increases rifle performance with no increases in barrel wear and felt recoil along with superior temperature stability. Initially chambered in Winchester's "Westerner" Model 70, it was meant to fill the needs of far-shooting mule deer and elk hunters. It is based on a necked-down .338 Winchester Magnum case and uses a .264 caliber bullet, making it an ideal choice for those seeking accuracy and performance at extended shooting distances. Unless you really like this particular rifle or simply want a .264 it is not that much diff than your current offering. Might be a consideration in something like a 264 WM. Of course, any custom riflesmith worth his salt can build a rifle in .264. If you want to max things out, you need a bullet that will expand at lower velocities. .tg td { I mentioned that a bullet may not perform well under 2,000 fps. Of course those stories exist, and they are not disputed here. What I have read seems impressive. No doubt the .264 is a capable elk cartridge, just not widely used; backing up my original assertion. The 140-grain projectile is fairly streamlined, providing acceptable aerodynamics, and it has a protected tip (meaning only a bit of exposed lead, a tiny flat meplat where the bullet initiates negotiations with its target). slipped quietly into near-obsoletion. HODGDON #H4350.1. Magnum, 26 Nosler, and my choice for all-round balance in a short action rifle, the 6.5 . A. have tough rows to hoe since they've been around since the 1960s and haven't exactly caught fire. padres hats. chronod berger 140's at an average of 3080 fps on the now "mild" loads. For this reason, I can certainly understand why somebody would want to hunt with a 6.5 PRC, especially if that person didn't . Re: 264 Win Mag for hunting, what do you think. Now think about the advanced powders & bullets available to the hunter of today like the Barnes TSX/TTSX. Above in disgrace one to try on a.264 it is not much! 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