Yes the local pest control company who are going with suggested Termindor for the exterior walls as the infestation appears to be coming from the exterior walls. Just to recap, when we remodeled our home in the spring of 2009, we found termites and a small amount of termite damage in the middle of our basement on two support posts and a few framing members. I have a log home. Both were highly recommended for commercial use but I wasnt sure how much residential experience they have and whether it matters? It has helped me make my decision. What I found was that he and the University of Florida have made MILLIONS on the royalties from the Sentricon system, due to the good doctors involvement in the development of same. Interesting reading. The products are only as good as the technicians who are applying them. WebAltriset is also proven to last longer than other termiticides, sometimes as much as twice as long. During the one hot night this season, I saw 4 flying termites in the house. What worries me is not knowing how extensive the garage damage is. Any suggestions? That means termites cannot see, smell, taste, or avoid it. It looks like there is some kind of pre-con system installed (looks like outdoor electric outlets with 2 hoses). "Outstanding service with fast shipping and in supply products, wellpriced and backed up by an excellent company. Sentricons Always Active technology is the newest and most advanced. I have been in the pest control buisiness for 23 years. I am an HOA president of a condo association in the panhandle of Florida. Center, 2004-2023 P&M Solutions, LLC DBA DoMyOwn, Shop All Termite Inspection Orange County Termite Terry Pest Control, Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Huntington Beach, South Orange County, Long Beach Area. I have a brick house on a concrete slab in south Mississippi. I am confused. This means that many people are concerned with whether or not this kind of treatment will actually get rid of their termite problems. Neither will leech as both are cationic molecules (positively-charged) and the soil has a net negative charge on the exchange sites. Anthony there are several excellent baits you can buy online and install yourself. From what I have read on this site, it appears that Sentricon is more environmentally friendly than Termidor. The Sentricon bait tubes are made different now. This forum discussion has been very valuable so I thank all of you who have shared your insights and experience with me. It has strong soil bonding properties and can be used where there is moisture movement is the soil. Are you a new applicator? Altriset has an active ingredient called Chlorantraniliprole which makes it so powerful and effective at termite infestation. The new Sentricon (called Always Active) IS pre-baited. Altriset is labeled only for subterranean termites. No active termites found. Altriset is non-repellent to the termites and also very safe for the environment, probably the safest of all currently available termiticides. Matt, Im well aware of the math. Scott- We would be a little lower than either of those quotes, but regional pricing is different. What did he tell you they were using? This has been very informative. It will help to make you a better pest management professional. The termites then then die due to lack of activity and inability to eat. That is not undertraining. I saw no live termites and the mud/sawdust tunnels looked old to me though I am no expert with termite damage. While the Sentricon system is excellent, the number of call backs for termite activity in the home is much higher on the Sentricon. Dominion Termiticide: I didn\\\t see the insects anymore until a few days ago. Some companies will offer cheaper products such as talstar which is fine for conventional but not for slab. In a few hours, the formula works to paralyze the mouths of termites so that they stop feeding. Any recommendation on a reputable company in the 30114 area that will give an honest evaluation of both types of treatment . It is made up of smaller, well-experienced companies in most markets around the United States, as well as various other countries and islands. The workers cant grow and gather food, so eventually the colony starves and dies out. Or outside?If it was not close to your home that could be ok.. From what I have read the only failures with Termidor were done intentionally. You can find amazing testimonies online about homes and barns that were infested with termites, and an exterior only treatment with Termidor solved their problem. Can you please explain the difference between Altriset and Termidor? if you have swarmers in the northeast, what degree of damage can you expect? Im inclined to go with TermidorDry & bait from the locally referenced applicator, but he candidly says that he would much prefer to do perimeter Termidor as his bait applications have been less successful. Theoretically, termites could possibly tunnel past a bait station and never find it. Get green or become obsolete. Long Plastic Funnel. I have treated thousands of homes over 26-years. Through genuine Transfer Effect technology, termites transfer Termidor termiticide to other termites via social interaction. I am torn because of that. There are many options when it comes to controlling the termite infestation. The techs have said that the foundation of the home is before you step out onto the tiled-in porch and if we use the Termidor treatment theyd have to drill into the tiles (splitting them) to get the liquid along the porch area/foundation (about 10ft by 10ft). The newest version is called Always Active and the bait is designed to last 1-5 years. Termidor is now labeled for exterior only. No offer has ever been made to pay for the damage. PCT and BASF present: Technical Training for Termidor Termiticides/Insecticides and Trelona ATBS Annual Bait Stations (October 2020), Wolfpack Pest Control: Termidor Termiticide Success Story. If your home was treated with Termidor 5 years ago it should be fine for about 10 more years at least. Sure wish wed taken preventative measures when we moved in almost 3 years ago, but we didnt. Therefore, other tools such as liquid soil treatments, wood treatments and mechanical alterations should be used when possible. Tyler, these companies that do bait checks quarterly and tri-annually are just RIP_OFFS . However, it may take a long time, and there are some factors that could complicate matters. I would think you could also call the site operators or maybe even contact the manufacturer and ask for info. BASF who makes Termidor backs it for 5 years so its no sweat off the companies back.. Those pest guys that push Advance Bait are usually operators who either never got accepted as an AO (Authorized Operator), or who had their dealership taken away. (This is a very reputable company in our area and they sell both but basically said I can ruin my tile porch or go with the bait Sentricon system but after doing a lot of reading Im not so sure what to do anymore.) Well turns out theyre full grown termites. And one more thing! The fact is that these baiting systems seldom work and all they are doing is selling you a VERY expensive warranty. I worked at 9 different Orkin branches in 5 states , I mainly worked at one branch but was regularly sent to others take care of complaints/state complaints due to untrained techs and managers who really didnt care. Missy- I think you are on the right track. This new technology has proven to move 2.5 times further in the soil than the industry standard. When they inject termidor 4 feet down, how close will it be the polypipe? I am very well aware. From years of field experience I can honestly say termidor is the best product. It is generally regarded as safe when properly applied. I dont work for Dow and never have, but I have been in the business for 41 years and have used Chlordane, Aldrin, Sentricon, Dursban TC, Termidor. Termidor SC is the Suspended Concentrate, which is a liquid concentrate. It sounds to me like you either work for Dow or some shady company who RIPS PEOPLE OFF BY DOING BAIT ONLY TERMITE TREATMENTS. How do they find the Termidor? There is not evidence that termites are attracted to cellulose. Sorry, I left out the most important part of the message! I am leaning toward the Phantom/Advance trap combination and would appreciate any input on this solution. Shallower minimum treatment depths provide additional time and chemical savings on structures with deep footers. Hope that helps, and good luck! And we have a quote from Terminx that has a protection plan with no treatment until termites are found within a 5 ft from the house and at that point they will treat with termindor. The other 2 sides are surrounded by gravel. I spoke with aantcouple people I trust and they said they wwouldntshy away from the house but Iin order to be safe my wife andI hhavedecided to get the house tented It will be treated with Vikane. Howver, 1800.00 seems like a lot of money!! If Sentricon works, it should kill the entire colony. I have also used Firstline with Orkin, it is truly junk, you can buy the same bait at Lowes..I currently use Esystex (Exterra) which is similar to Sentricon and Advance.I always let my bait customers know that this is a LONG TERM COMMITMENT . I live in south Mississippi. Here is a quote from an entomologist about the research on Sentricon by the University of Florida: Its a major conflict of interest, Texas A&M entomology Professor Roger Gold said. The system is baited from the start with Recruit HD that is a cellulose product said to be preferred by the termites. !Sentricon does contaminate your soil every time it rains! The maintenance manager of my office building (govt building) has worked with EcoLab. If you are going to keep a bait service you need to find someone who will do monthly or bi-monthly service, quarterly and tri-annual is a complete and total rip-off unless ALL stations are PRE-BAITED-.. Termites will clean out the wood monitors easily in less than 2 months. Your home will be thoroughly inspected, youll find what options are available and youll learn a lot of valuable information. The Termidor products are produced by the German company BASF SE. Sentricon charges one fee to the pest company and all materials are included. One of your statements: During sentricon bi-annual check in Feb 2014, one of the station found active termite. Also wings on termite are almost twice as long as their bodies. The detector on the moistest corner of the house was tripped (paper strip chewed and button popped). Termidor is the best way to treat a house for termites. The installer I want to use is very highly recommeneded. The pest control company I called indicated the Termidor system was only good for 7 yrs and would have to be redone at that time. In the battle against termite workers that never stop foraging, this is essential for success. Why waste your money paying for insurance. Once it has been found, pheromones are sent to other members of the colony. Is my wll water at risk? However last night we discovered termites in our basement, mind you I had two termite complete a termite check and told no termites inside the house. One firms annual charge would be 10% of the original injection cost (around $190) and the other didnt specifiy because, originally, we had only gotten a quote for spot treatment and not treatment of the entire foundation. Why? We just hate to spend it on a problem that MAY? The barrier treatments are effective immediately upon application. Go with termidor, its the best option and it will save you money. Morg- With the new Always Active termites, it is baited, then inspected one time per year. Their former president (Ward Combs) is a past president of the NPMA. Sentricon is definitely greener. They may have $10 in chemical invested on this. This compensation may impact how and where products appear on this site (including, for example, the order in which they appear). A conventional treatment done with Termidor is the best termite treatment you can have done to your home. The first unqualified treatment was done by the sellers. Orkin charges $12.00 per foot ( 12 x 150 =1800 ) most small local companies change $6 to $8 per foot ($900 $1200 )and come with just as good if not better guarantee with a more affordable renewal . They are rippin you. Personally, I wouldnt plant edible plants anywhere near a Termidor treatment no matter what anyone tells you. Termidor all the way. They are equally effective. The Sentricon is higher. Jim is right in that the bait stations need to be checked every month. I have been sent in to clean up to many of there messes. Homeowners beware. My current company can also do both. Thank you! I have had two estimates and inspections from businesses that both have been in their respectable fields over 40 years. The bait composite is much more condensed now (sort of like a bar of soap), so it lasts a long time in the ground and eliminates many times more termites than before. What if a water line goes bad and needs to be replaced, or I get a new communications line, etc. Hope this has helped. and have had my property treated twice with Termador and still have termites. 23.4 hPa ( 20 C) Information applies to the solvent. Bi-annual termite inspections have not seen any indication of ground termite activities. Termidor SC is the Suspended Concentrate, which is a liquid concentrate. Since everything is pre paid, the vendor will put out as many stations or bait tubes as it takes to solve the problem. Any recommendations? the first local pest control company are the ones that want to do the injection. Liquid is the only thing that can give you a solid barrier all the way around your home. A lot of the discount companies like to use products like Talstar or even worse, MaxxThor, which uses Bifenthrin as an active ingredient. This substance is passed around the colony by the termites, and keeps them from properly molting. With Advance (and all the other bait products out there), the pest company pays piecemeal (approx $10 per station and $20 per bait tube). Also, how far apart and how far from the house should they be installed? Had our house treated with Termidor 5 years ago. Questions? Have them identified to make sure they are termites. Must be doing something right but hey what do I know. I assume if I went Sentricon, I could not monitor it myself because I would not be able to by refills? I have one offer to use Altriset for spot treatment of known infestation, paired with Advance bait. Different companies do the payments in different ways. Once termites start eating the bait, they spread it to all the other termites in the colony and they literally wipe themselves out of existence. Is Sectricon something that I can check on my own after the first year or is it a system that I cant get into or that requires an electronic detector to check. After that, it has had enough time to dry and should be fine. I am glad we spent the extra money our house has been termite free for 15 years. Dominion Termiticide: Maryann- Yes, I would ask your bidders if they would use Altriset. Been using it for years. (I need to clarify whether they inspect with the 4-yr warranty or not.) It is not fully effective at controlling termite infestation. I know its a bit late for some of the previous questions, but maybe it will help down the line. WebAltriset is a highly effective termite control product that stops the termites from feeding within hours of application. The termite Sentricon system relies on the ability of termites to find stakes in below ground bait stations. we have noticed the swarmer termites in a couple areas of the home (no more than 15 bugs) I had the terminex guy out today, and he recommended treating with termidor. This may surprise you, but this new product does not need to have a signal word because it is the first termite treatment product to be classified by the EPA as Low Risk. Any comments? The constantly foraging termites will run across the bait tube and like it over the house wood, so will start to feed from the tube. You can rent hammer drills from any tool rental center. Hammer Drill. Debra Eller: Those bath traps, or any hole through the slab, are vital areas that MUST be treated. Any advice about warranties on Thermidor? Should I be concern about these other types as well? Termidor is a good product. It has years of data backing up its effectiveness in several University studies. This new technology has proven to move 2.5 times further in the soil than the industry standard. However, if you want to do it yourself, we've put together a simple strategy that makes the job easy. At the time it was new in our area and we did not know anyone else who had it. Your attitude and display of self control has been way below where it should be (as the president of a business). more Premise was used. Which is a good sign of a elderly lady and possibly a widow.I was sent to fix there screw-ups, and the tough retreats back in the dark days with Dursban and Pryfon 6 (junk). Ill be the bigger man here and apologize. It is a shame that he has to resort to lying to make it look like he knows what he is talking about. Doesnt the bait in Advanced have some amount of active ingredient as well? Company B is recommending a Sentricon bait system all around the house at a cost of $1500 over two years. If you want a green treatment, you might consider spot treating the infested area with Altriset (a Dupont product), then installing Sentricon. It does last for 10 years in the soil. In other parts of the country, people want an effective alternative to liquid termiticides and Sentricon works great. He told me it was termites and I should get treatment. Testimonials , Learning For maximum protection, they recommend that you treat all the way around your homes foundation, inside of the garage and any other areas where you find termite activity. It is open to anybody. I have been using a Sentricon system for many years. You can dish it out, but you cant take it, my friend. Can you offer any solutions/suggestions to our problem? They could be a good company with a misinformed salesman, but that just sounds to me like he is trying to pull a fast one on you. Its time to renew your termite warranty. My question is will I still see a swarm after a year with Termidor? Jay- I never attempted to become selected by Sentricon. No treatment will be needed inside the house. Anyway, I have a new company working on it. We have subterranean termites. Use Enter/Space key to select the menu/submenu items. I had a Sentricon baiting system installed after a plumber found termites under my home. They proposed we go with the Sentricon Termite Colony Elimination System which features a lifespan that would shadow the life expectancy of our home for the life of the home. They missed a lot at the outset. Termidor involves applying 100s of gallons of insecticide where Senticon only inserts a small amount of bait matrix where the active termites are. Why would two large reputable companies choose not to be members if its a reputable organization. They allow less poison to be injected into the ground, and offer customers a ray of hope when dealing with these unpleasant, invasive pests. Also how long can we expect the house to be clear after fumigation? Usually, in the absence of moisture, they are simply trapped inside the wall, cannot organize a new colony and eventually dehydrate (dry up) and die. Another company recommended Sentricon and est is $1282 with $400 a year to maintain. BTW, orkin is suppose to use termidor treatment. WebTermidor is not systemic and does not affect plant life around your home. The Sentricon customers that had live termite damage was on 4 of the call backs and the repairs were made much to our customers surprise. WebTermidor carries a CAUTION on the pesticide label in USA and is highly active against a variety of non-target animals such as bees and fish. So, I would just be very, very aware of that while reviewing and before implementing Dr. Sus opinions on termite treatment. I live in South Dakota. However, both options deliver solutions on their own timeframe and have a very different impact on your budget, the environment, and your life. Why dont you just pay a professional pest company to come and get rid of the termites? The best termite control strategy considers all available tools and integrates them to provide the customer the best possible termite protection. The repellency factor of these liquid termite chemicals have specific uses - primarily in preconstruction treatments (before the structure is built) and in areas where fast control of subterranean termites is desired. We are not interested in spending additional money unnecessarily since we do not have a current problem. This is currently the technique that most reputable pest control companies use. They dont work period. only a little paper on the dry wall was eaten. How does he know if he is not an authorized vendor and has no direct experience with it. How often should I inspect the stations? If you go to the Sentricon website, you could probably find an authorized operator in your part of the country who could give you more localized information. Also they only show up a couple times during the year. Termites feed on the bait and take it underground to all the other termites in the colony until the colony is wiped out. When active termites enter the stations, bait is placed in the station. I am a keyman for Terminix which means i can sell and do my own jobs and this is how i do it Termidor is expensive but it does not cost that much to treat critical areas.. Its a small bit of extra care that the company really never misses in chemical costs.. What I meant to say was that I never had a call back for termites at any home treated with termidor. What about when it rains hard for 2 weeks and the gutters overflow? My company uses both Termidor and Sentricon. Current thoughts? Like the technicians before me have posted, a bait only treatment has a much higher retreat percentage than a liquid or a liquid plus bait treatment. Termites forage randomly and continuously until one of the worker members of the colony find the underground wood. Here at Crumpetsa, we give you the most practical and efficient pest solutions. Thus, leading to an inferior barrier. On Sunday, however, we saw a swarm of several dozen swarmers, which are hiding in the wood paneling on our front stoop. Actually Bart I charges less for my bi-monthly plan than most do for their quarterly, tri-annual or annual checks . A long plastic funnel (1.5 - 2.0 feet) is perfect for inserting into drill holes (1/2" or larger) and dispersing the termiticide below porches, patios, garages, slab foundations, etc. Tom, good description >.The 2 major companys you keep talking about, they are like dirty used car salesmans. This site is available in the following languages: Innovation Still Never Stops: 2021 Triple Play, Customer Success Story | Green Turf in the Blue Ridge, Take a Fresh Look at Intrinsic brand fungicides, Five cultural practices that will improve disease management, Funky Pests | Don't Get Walloped by Whiteflies, Plant Protection: How to Use Pesticides Appropriately, 3 things growers should know about heat stress, Effective Pest Management Approaches for Spring Growers. Why are you so against Orkin? A 2 gallon bucket is used to mix the termiticide so that it can be applied 1-2 gallons at a time into the drill holes. Ste 301 Dallas, Texas 75238 I sweeped them up only to notice that there were more coming out of my vents gross!. Is this wall adjacent to the garage slab? I have had Sentricon for 4 years, and have been thinking of going with another company that uses Termidor. Dont look for advice from someone who only pitches liquids (ie Termidor, Premise, etc) or baits (ie Sentricon, Advance). Can you please site 2 or 3 independent studies that show Termidor is more effective than Sentricon? Natural alternatives for termite treatment are recently getting increasingly popular. Enough said. Thanks. The first 24 hours after the treatment, keep your kids away from the foundation wall. Thanks. I had to go out and retreat everything I did with Phantom . It also increases termites natural social behavior. Last night that I get home I had even more dead all over my house. Termidor is the only idiot proof termite control on the market.You can sometimes use a 1/4 inch drill bit? It will cost you more in the long run than a full treatment will. Both are cationic molecules ( positively-charged ) and the soil for their quarterly, tri-annual or annual checks you also. 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