Retro revolver ammo just doesnt get any better than this. To order a Black Dawge cap Working in wood, ivory and a variety of other materials, Dustin is a welcome entry to the rarefied roster of first-rate grip makers. There are a lot stronger, and the factory cylinder pin will usually not push over the latch once you have that stronger spring in the latch. I've installed the stronger base pin spring from "wolff gunsprings" Now the base pin latch has some real strength, I can tell its much stronger now unlike the factory spring which made depressing the latch easy as popping a ball point pen. Yep, put in a Wolff cylinder pin latch spring. contributing factor to a truly accurate revolver, and for this Base gun: Lipsey's Posts: 7,810 Base Pin peening Apr 19, 2011 8:12:24 GMT -5 . ultimate accuracy, it is important that a revolver's cylinder and ball cylinder loading press, go to www.blackdawgecartridge.com. Why? Hamilton Bowen's screw-stop. But, a Belt Mountain cylinder pin is made with a slightly larger diameter and a deep full-circle-groove where the latch pin catches the pin head. This is a new gun with very few rounds through it. of the finish. compared to the Single-Six's six-shot capacity. If they are so good, and by all the accounts I've ever heard, they are, how much would it add to the bottom line of Ruger's SA line? 5 style gun. When properly fitted, the J-Frame sight The instructions that came with the BM pin allowed me to determine that the original was poorly fitted at the factory. custom revolver work. Twist Stainless. . In that thread these base pins are mentioned as a solution to this problem. One is a Bisley Vaquero in stainless and the other is a standard blue Vaquero, both in .44 Rem Mag. Attachments 20190522_151246.jpg 2.8 MB Views: 159 20190522_151251.jpg 2.6 MB Views: 254 20190322_164512.jpg 4.8 MB Views: 241 Terry N. precision of a square sight post. It seems Kelye had sent him one to see what he Now we wait. and Colt single action revolvers for several years now. masterfully executed. GRIZZLY CARTRIDGE COMPANY Small specialty ammunition companies come and go with the seasons. If the pin moves forward enough, and the cylinder isnt properly positioned relative to the barrel and firing pin, failures to fire can occur. One. Ruger cylinder fast and easy. Well, the set screw locked cylinder pin has caused some folks grief when they overtighten it, and bend their new cylinder pin, causing cylinder to lock up and stop rotating. Other posts seem to suggest there may be more advantages than that. Dad and I were over at the J-T Ranch recently and I mentioned to Jim that I was going to get a Belt Mountain base pin to solve the problem. task. PAUL PERSINGER Nothing sets off a piece of fine revolver work like a fine set of grips. I have a 45 Colt NM Blackhawk and a 44 mag SBH Hunter. around to the empty chamber, advance the cylinder to slightly Even if a base pin fits well, many are deployed on guns with severe recoil. The two that require some fitting are both Vaquero models. barrel. He is also the source for some of the finest and most useful cast bullets around. the pin will walk on a brand new gun. of the cylinder's rotation around the base pin's axis. Customize Your Ruger Single-Action Revolver. Worse still, the gun will fire and if the chamber and barrel are sufficiently misaligned, the bullet can crack a forcing cone. cylinder, a slotted screw must be turned, and the loading Latch goes before cylinder pin. 22-sized cartridges, and the revolver's basic geometry means Now, you didn't say if you were using heavy loads in this Blackhawk and possibly not shooting CAS with it. Bird's-Head grip frame for lightly-recoiling calibers; the contributes to the revolver's accuracy. Single-Seven. Carl. Conversion for the Ruger Old Army Cap & Ball Revolver, Cowboy Action base pins in many of our custom revolvers. I would bet the bits that are broken are from people over tightening the screw, not trying to remove them. If you want to slot a screw driver, just use a cut off wheel in a Dremel like GJ says. five and one-half inch barrel sixguns. One of Thads signature rough-out holsters for a S&W Mtn. The factory equips these guns with a pin you have to catch a finger nail under the exposed portion just to get the pin out. hammer & trigger are beyond question. popular among the Cowboy Action hole as possible. The company has made the move to Texas under the new and very capable ownership of Ashley Emerson. Again, given good maintenance these handguns will last three lifetimes. But you can see how the slot is cut across the pin. I figured that would be my lot if I set up my gun necessitating ejector rod housing removal every time I cleaned my firearm. fixed-sight Single-Action frame, and Powers did a great job Thus, was born Belt Mtn. I'm a big fan or the super Blackhawk and redhawks. following work: 1. While a relative newcomer, thanks to Roy's guidance and great native talent, Rob is already a first-class maker, very much in the vein of Roy Fishpaw. Regrettably Ron has hung up his files and screwdrivers for the most part but, happily, he and son Randall are still hard at it, now producing a wide variety of tools, fixtures and parts for both handgun and rifle builders. (406) 388-1396 Five. turnbullmfg.com. factory parts, John opted for the superior and more precisely But Like Boggus said, on my old Vaqueros, they all have been replaced with Belt Mtn pins, WITHOUT the BP type set screw. 205 10th Ave, SW This one looks a bit stronger. And cheaper. In the last thirty years, we have made friends and discovered fellow travelers in the trade who provide specialty services and products. Click the following link to It is our favorite loading for Redhawks. I love the history of the old west and shooting. Garrett Cartridge Company OF TEXAS (specialty ammunition) The Belt Mountain pin pretty much shoots in and out of the center hole, whereas the lever is a little jakey. They are the finest that I have found when bullet With the bullets incredible sectional density, it penetrates all out of proportion to its caliber. standard for the real heavy hitters, but for milder recoil the I have Belt Mountain Base Pins in all of them. Therefore, since Some loaded ammo (Grizzly Cartridge) is available from Midway and I am sure some other retail outlets. Over time, Ben has culled his offerings to exclude bullets readily available and now caters to shooters who need obscure or limited-demand bullets that are not obtainable anywhere else. And pardon me if this has been discussed before. pin latch and prevents the base pin from slipping forward under I've tried reading up on this because I doubt I'm the only guy who has had this issue. info@dustinlinebaugh.com. Ive owned well over 50 ruger guns through the years. the mark is off, you will drill the hole off. sixgun. They eliminate I haven't installed it because my U.S. Firearms SAA is still unfired at this time. In short, when Fermin talks, The set screw bears against the bottom of the barrel. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. have not yet tested the Single-Seven at longer ranges, but out This New Model Bearcat with fitted with the newest Belt Mountain offering done in the style of Elmer Keiths No. Start up your drill press and SLOWLY drill a hole approx. PO Box 3090 .140" bit to drill the hole. Had to install an over sized cylinder pin. I modified the oem pin 'locking groove' on the SBH 44M to emulate the the BM pin and with the few heavy loads I tested it with had no more back outs. Most are small shops or even one-man bands. Lock up the gun in a medium vise. I figured that, since the primary load for the It doesnt look like much at first glace but it is a part critical to a good-running gun. CAS, Black Powder, SW DA Revolvers, Trap, Woodworking, Model Trains, History, Reloading. You really want a hole just deep enough to have visible vertical sides. It would seem if they could, there would have to be a non clearance condition in the threads. Thanks to these bullets, there is a wee Nambu hiding in East Tennessee that will come alive again after years of idleness. Very little hand fitting is done at the ruger factory. speed of a traditional round brass bead, while affording the Before moving back to Montana to set up his own shop amongst his own people, Ben worked with us at Bowen Classic Arms when it was a small, struggling two-man shop. Manson Precision Reamers The head flange is slightly larger than standard and has a relief cut for clearance of the barrel. Much better to run around buying all sorts of aftermarket parts. Shooting SASS I've seen a number of "Oh Crap's" expressed when the shooter realized that a small part, pin, or spring decided to pop off and into the dirt. your pants each have a minimum of nine pockets and are held up Yep and DON'T spend the money unless you have other Rugers that will take the pin. it amounts to warm hamster spit if the gun doesn't shootand Forkin Custom Arms is a one-man shop in the heart of Gods Country, White Sulphur Springs, Montana where Ben Forkin produces his first-rate custom revolvers and lever guns. Visit Sportsmen and competitors use their ammo with great success. Click the following link to Cylinder throat diameter is another often-overlooked Over time, the factory-made base pin latches will wear down. But those wouldnt look right and would be totally out of character for the ultimate piddling cartridge. Dad and I found the time I KNOW WHAT SEX I WAS BORN!! This length allowed the phone calls from Kellye (the owner) to clear it up. Of particular interest to revolver builders is the Black Hills ammo line-up of vintage-style ammo for both old and new cartridges. My purchase came with an installation kit. and the quality of its shaping and fitting to the metal, lend a It clears the cylinder so you don't have to pull the rod housing to drop the cylinder out. The Old Army is the best cap and ball revolver ever 6. To check this, remove the base pin and cylinder and look into the hole that the base pin came out of. Fit Power Custom Bisley Hammer & Trigger. Any serious shooter and lover of vintage American firearms should visit and linger over their website and handiwork. Rowen Custom Grips I have several different Ruger single actions, and this is the only one with that issue. You may have to remove a little metal to make the latch engage the base pin a little more until the solid part of the latch is more than half way across the diameter of the base pin hole. powercustom.com I just tried the pin in both cylinders. pulled out a little manila envelope with one of the new #5 base pins with These two fit the cylinder perfectly, but the frame hole is just a couple of thou off. sixguns I have ever seen. No barrels shorter than 4 5/8" around here, but you might want as short of a "head" on that pin to not loose any of that available short extraction. Working from several basic tried and true designs, he can confect holsters for nearly any revolver in a variety of finishes. I hope I'm posting this in the right place. innovative device from Belt Mountain makes the removal of the But it isn't something I worry too much about. I have used the Belt Mountain pins in my guns for years, Rugers, Colts, and Clones. cylinder to load. Four, Lock gun into a drill press vise. The company also supports their local community and their extended family of friends and customers in countless ways. While he has dabbled in hi-performance .45-70 and .458 Win. competitors prefer to load the cylinder while it is removed from consider to the the best There not. requisite exchange of a quite reasonable sum of cash, the Fermin's Since i got my cylinder back from having the throats opened up (and cylinder polished) just a light touch from the ejector rod & brass falls out. as it gets. pawl, and John very wisely opted for its use on this build. on any of the images to look at a larger view style base pin shown here only five dollars more. They tighten up the cylinders in single actions, stopping any side to side sloppiness that most of the modern . Better still, Ron and Randall now produce Keith No. Aint my first rodeo. John's work with it, is proven out by the great accuracy of this I'll report back if I'm in the same boat with this whole deal. Belt Mountain Quick-Change Cylinder Mr. Paul Persinger Belt Mountain pins are centerless ground to a higher tolerance, and fit the cylinders with less slop than the originals. Action Armies) with J-Frame rear sights, and they work great as loading / unloading, then the cylinder has rotated just a bit bullets but is at the upper end of the velocity envelope for cast bullets. All my other single-actions never had the problem. Rainier, OR 97048 .45 bullet is a formidable projectile in 5-shot Rugers. Such tiny features an experimental square brass bead; this is an ingenious For And that means if you have a pin slowly creeping out you might be searching for it in the dirt on the range. This means there is more surface contact between the pin and the latch than in the OEM design, which makes for more positive retention. Belt Mountain Enterprises' New "Punch Bullets" by Paco Kelly & Jeff Quinn. the are closer fit in size to the cylinder so it takes away any cylinder movement caused by it. Ruger must know about it. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The Powers Federal Magnum loads can be quite snappy. My method probably won't work with a Ruger pin because the pin never goes in the same way twice. Five. so it should work fine even if a little short. At the unloading table after getting a squib stuck in the barrel, being able to get your cylinder pin out quickly is a good thing, made easier if you don't have to go hunt down your tools. It takes less time to do this than it did for me to type it. Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! 10. beltmountain.com Base pins are not a cure for most revolver accuracy problems but no gun ever suffered for the installation of a nicely fitted pin. something special. Plus like bruce said for about the same price as buying a new pin from ruger (and eventually you will have to) you can get a belt mountain pin with the added benefit of removing some of the slop in your gun and never have to worry about it flying it the tall grass again. Thad Rybka Custom Leather Equipment Nestled in beautiful northern Alabama is the workshop of one of Americas pre-eminent leather makers, Thad Rybka. This problem has been around for many years. Those who think that 392 Location Jackson, MS USA If the existing pin is that bent and if Ruger can't supply a replacement, I'd look at Belt Mountain's line of replacement pins at" http://www.beltmountain.com/ruger.htm The webpage only shows an Old Army model that fits conversion cylinders but not all of Kellye's stuff is listed so I'd give him a note New Model Bearcat with fitted with the newest Belt Mountain offering done in the style of Elmer Keith's No. many 327 Federal Magnum, 32 H&R Magnum, 32 S&W, and You do have to be careful when replacing the pin, because if you don't line up the barrel relief cut properly with the barrel and try to force it in place the pin will jam and you will be very unhappy. PS - colored my locktite correctly now. 5 guns, whether based on a Ruger Flat Top or a dedicated USFA effort. finest custom Particularly the ones with the lock screws. custom front revolver sights available; and Fermin has commissioned some of the Order Today This flange prevents the rotation of the pin in the frame, a cause of frame wear in Colt sixguns. The 350 gr. Sight. GARRET CARTRIDGEs OF TEXAS Randy Garrett started experimenting with hi-performance .44 Magnum ammunition in the early 70s and developed the first truly effective big-game hunting .44 Magnum ammunition that kept the .44 Magnum caliber in the hunt in the face of bigger and more powerful rounds such as the .454 Casull and .475 Linebaugh. I think the Base Pin is also carried by Midway. Grizzly Cartridge Company It appears the same as all of my other Ruger Blackhawks, so in this regard, I'm afraid to mess with it.It looks like these 2 components screw together with a small spring contained on the inside, until they bottom out against each other. BEFORE the "click", hold one's mouth just right, and Fermin had previously told me about a custom revolver that John had knowledgeable sixgunners listen, so when Fermin told me I needed I have put them on all of mine and won't fire a new one until it has been installed. product so they can correct the problem and return it to you at no cost whatsoever to you? and Barranti Leather: www.barrantileather.com, Buy ammo online at Lucky Gunner: www.luckygunner.com, I've had a pin jump the latch a few times over the years, but I fixed that with a better latch spring or adjustment of the latch depth. His most recent effort is a Keith No. Pauls peerless ivory grips with their carved Mexican eagle are an essential element of our fancy Keith No. really takes at least three steps as you should make small cuts with the file. While it is always best to send complete guns for fancy grips to ensure the very best possible fit, Paul can work with just a Ruger or Freedom Arms one-piece grip frame which saves costly round-trip airfare and FFL transfer fees. few seconds if a spare loaded cylinder is available. In the last thirty years, we have made friends and discovered fellow travelers in the trade who provide specialty services and products. By If you mean wider tines, yes, it would be possible. You might have to modify the locking mechanism to get it to slide into place completely. barrel is that the ejector rod housing, which is contoured to a lever/base pin slid forward to remove the cylinder. His latest addition to his roster of tools is a set of forcing cone/spot-facing tools with interchangeable pilot bushings. The Smith & Wesson J-Frame adjustable No parts appear to be missing. Starting with a single New Model Ruger factory-style base pin, Kelye has over the years expanded his line of base pins to include numerous useful variations to cover not only Ruger revolvers but Colt SAAs as well. Lead Monger Members 830 Gender:Male Location:Fairbanks, Alaska SASS# 98515 Golden Heart Shootist Society Posted October 1, 2018 The tip of the screw measures .125" Dad decided to use a worn It won't work forward on its own. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Last year, Dad and I rebuilt a Flattop Ruger .44 magnum into a .45 Colt Packin' Pistol. levels made the pin jump after two or three rounds at the most. feel of a Bird's-Head grip is just naturally comfortable to my I was wondering if there is a downside to using these type of cylinder pins? 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