It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. So. On a dirt road. There are also many unconfirmed sightings. There was a lot of DNA evidence. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Caller: Oh yeah. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. And they were using all the habitat. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Second when I when they did forward it from Wyoming to to Michigan you know this was coming right from sample 18 and 19 had no remarkable differences from known mountain lions from Michigan or Wyoming. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. So in fact, maybe a decade ago now there was a mountain lion killed in Connecticut and through DNA analysis of that mountain lion and scat that had been left in various places. But no proof was offered. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Caller: I do. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. "There is a very low possibility of seeing them in the. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. What kind of animal is that. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. Cougars are believed to have died off in New Hampshire in the 1880s after deforestation and hunting drove them to extinction, according to the 1950s book "A History of New Hampshire Game. I didn't see him online. Thank you. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. We'd love to have you in the queue. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. "Of those three to five reports, one. Caller: Oh hi. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Can you tell us about that story. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. No doubt in my mind it was. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Why are there so many false positives? Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. Here it is. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Well within there. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Novartis sold $1.1 billion worth of Gilenya in the U.S. last year, a 19% drop from 2021 that was caused in part by generic competition, according to . These were normal everyday folks. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. That's next time on one day. For evidence of a free-roaming, wild and native mountain lion, we must look back to 1874. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Give today. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Border I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. And it's not really strong. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Rick van de Poll: Yes. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. I tracked cats and all the western states. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Patrick Tate: Well. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Well they are the same. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. Like why would you want one wildlife. Caller: Yeah. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. The sub-population in Florida is known as the Florida panther . Thank you. Let's look for other evidence. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. Have you seen one. 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